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May 23, 2005

190SL Undercarriage Welding

The old pitted floor pans were stripped and new pans welded while the car was on jack stands on the floor to avoid distortion of the chassis. The chassis/frame was in superb condition except for on or two places, which required local repairs. The floor pans consist of four separate panels factory spot welded to the chassis 'n' shaped side and cross members from beneath the car. This forms a box section which was not sealed, primed or treated by the Mercedes-Benz amd results in rust from the inside out. The replacement floor pans are thickers than the original and are two sided zinc coated steel. The zinc coating creates a barrier against rust and can be painted over once prepared well. All chassis members should be checked carefully by tapping with a pick hammer to ensure that they are not weak, especially the trailing arm supports which could become critical if the trailing arms were to break loose at high speed.

The SIP 170 turbo Mig welder performed nicely but welding on you back with overhead plug welds took time mastering. Too low a speed and rating on hte Mig welder and the weld would not hold up. Too fast a wire speed and too high temparature the weld will fall out, hopefully missing your arm. Precautionary measures should include full body and head protection, safety first. I sort the advice from a Hot Rod forum, HotRodders, and this was the response by one of the members:
"Remember to work the pool. If the weld is falling out of the hole, two things to look for here.
1) You probably actually have too much heat or moving too slow and the weld is molten to the point that it is sagging under its own weight. Gravity is getting you there.
2) Also make sure that there are no gaps between the 2 pices of metal. If this happens, it not only is a bad seal, but it makes it a bear to weld vertical plug welds.
If the tacks are not holding, again it is a missed location of weld or lack of penetration. A lack of penetration may be from weld technique or heat. I really doubt that it is heat since we are talking relatively thin sheetmetal here. When doing that type of plug weld, I usually try to start in the middle of the hole and work the weld out to the edges while circling around the entire inside of the hole. If you see the molten pool starting to sag, stop for about 3 seconds and hold the torch in the same spot. When it is too dark to see the pool through your helmet, hit it again and finish the weld.
Overheald welding is probably the most difficult if that is what you are doing. If you take two pieces of sheetmetal about the same guage, set them together on the ground or bench, you can tune your welder comfortably before trying to overhead weld the floor pan. Look at the backside of the second piece of scrap. You should see where the heat has penetrated through it. Not fused material like a pimple, but just enough to discolor the metal outlining the weld from above."

Armed with this advice and with several practice runs I mastered the overhead plug welding.

While the car was on jack stands I built a trolley. This was rigged with two protrusions to one side clear of the body so as to provide a pivot point when rolling the body over its side. Next process is to complete the grinding, de-rusting and preparation for paint. Much easier than working under the car on your back.

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Time now to attend to the right hand wheel well, which was previously badly repaired by plug welding rust holes. The lower portion was cut cut out. An new repair panel was fabricated complete with drain hole. This was butt welded an finished off by lead loading.

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May 15, 2005

190sl Floor Pan Welding and Replacement

I have not had a chance to work on the car for a few months. Now that time permits I have finished welding and grinding the plug weld spots of the left hand rear floor section. As it is hard work welding and grinding on your back, I looked at purchasing a Rotisserie, but could not justify the cost. Instead I shall proceed with the project in it's current manner.

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I additionally decided to replace the left hand lower firewall as the right hand side came out nicely and since I do not have a streatcher and shirinker to hand, as the lower edge that joins to the front floor pan is curved. The rear floor sections are easier to weld in as there is more space. I have decided to remove the engine and turn the body on its side to aid welding, grinding and painting. On removing the engine by lowering the sub frame with the engine and gear box, the body could not be raised high enough to wheel out the complete unit. Instead the gear box will need to be removed from under the car. The engine can then be removed using a hoist from top, which should give me more room to wheel out the sub frame on its tyres. That job I have postponed until I am able to rally up a few more helping hands.


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The factory spot welded the floor pans on to the main chassis sections. This was done before the outer body panels were welded on. As I do not have a single sided spot welder, I made good by punching holes on the edge of the floor pans where the spot welds would be and plug welded the holes. I additionally seam welded the inner side for added protection. The factory did seam weld at the rear portion where the floor curves upwards. I was concerned if my welds would hold up. Tests on a few weld spots proved my welds should hold up.

I plan on cleaning the surface rust by sanding and acid wash when all the welding is done.


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Plan for next week is to have the right rear floor pan welded in. It does require a bit of cutting to make it fit. These cars were hand made and each panel was cut to shape before fit, so you can not just buy new panels from the factory and expect them to fit. The worst case I have come across was rear quarter panel, the edge that meets the boot lid on the left hand panel are a quarter of an inch too short. Mercedes Benz are aware of this mis-fit but suggest that the panel should be cut and a piece welded. One would not expect that kind of adjustment for panel fit.


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This was the longest next week. More cutting and grinding was needed than I had thought to make this panel fit well. Once the rear sides were cut the panel welded nicely. This photo shows the welded panel which still requires finishing with the grinder. Progress this week was made on getting the front right hand floor pan ready for welding. This should be welded in by the end of this week. Luckly this panel does not need the cutting and grinding that the rear panels required.

All box sections like the rears were sealed with Wurth cavity wax after painting. This should safe guard against future rust.

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Commenced working on front right floor pan. Easier to weld than the rears as no curves and bracekts in the way. The lower firewall welded excellently and fit was perfect. As this side has come out well I have decided to change the lefthand lower fire wall too, before welding in the last floor pan. I can see the end to the welding, as after the lefthand firewall, left fron floor just the seat support panels left.

Will need to decide soon the best way to turn the body over so that I can start the preparation work to paint the underneath.

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Welded the last floor pan today. Looks good but hard work. Lots of grinding next under the floor pans. This should achieve an original finish like the factory spot weld. These were the most difficult parts to restore, as the floor pans need to be fit from underneath.

I would advise anyone doing the same job to invest in a rotisserie. This is one job that I would not like to do again. The cost of Chassis Tilter at £899 appears a lot to throw into one restoration but it would have saved a considerable amount of time.


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The next project is the seat support boxes. Trial fit indicated that lost of adjustment, grinding and rebending will be need to make these fit. These were sourced from Jacksons Mercedes Benz main agent and I am suprised by the poor fit quality. It appears that these are not genuine parts but reproductions sourced from out side the dealership network.

Time for decisions on turning the car over so that I can start preparation of the underneath. I will let you know how I get on next time.

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Above photos show trial fit of the seat support brackets. One lower seat pan was bent and needed straightening. The seat pan did not glide on its runners smoothly without much fabrication and adjustments to the seat support brackets.